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Poster: BryanE Date: Mar 28, 2007 2:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: God Bless John Barlow

midnight sun-

I was well on my way to issuing a reply earlier when I hit the wrong key and dumped the whole thing.

ghost of pig pretty much said it all.

I suppose you’re right that there would be no show without an audience, but for the sake of argument, it might be fair to say, then, that when the show is over, and the audience and the musicians are no longer interacting as cooperative units, their partnership ceases. If audience members want to then have ownership of recordings made that night of applause, cheering, and some yahoo who keeps screaming for the band to play St. Stephen, they’re welcome to them. But the decision about ownership of the music that was produced that night should then remain with the band. At least that’s how I see it. If they want to let us listen to it here on the LMA without restrictions, on a restricted basis, or not hear it on sites like this at all is a decision that should be left to the party/parties who created the music. Any other claim is presumptuous.

My biggest gripe, again, is about the griping itself. If I read a post from one more spoiled brat calling Bobby Weir a “fucking greedy asshole” for having the audacity to express an opinion about what should be done with what he produced with his own sweat and inspiration, I’m going to blow a gasket. It IS a question of entitlement and the assumed right to it that a faction of snot-nosed ingrates believe they have, which they do not. I am deeply offended by this sort of thing, as I believe anyone with a measurable level of sensitivity should be. I have been fortunate to meet Bobby Weir on a couple of different occasions. He is not a “fucking asshole,” greedy or otherwise, and any of these greedy bastards who label him as such don’t have the first clue about the truth, about being decent human beings, and are just plain mean. That ain’t right. Bobby Weir is a really nice guy, gracious, polite, funny and very intelligent, and he has every right to be an active part of the decision-making process with regard to anything that has the name Grateful Dead on it.

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Mar 28, 2007 2:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: God Bless John Barlow

The band members have every right to do whatever they choose with their product--the music. It is theirs, they made it, and if they want to place restrictions on its availability, that is their right.

That being said:

It is also, I believe, a fair assesment to say that in this particular instance, Weir was playing the role of the cop who stops you for speeding when you're 5 miles per hour over the speed limit.

He is right, you are wrong. You were technically speeding. But he didn't have to give you that ticket. He could have looked the other way, b/c after all, what you are doing, while technically outside the bounds of the law, isn't THAT much outside the bounds.

In other words, since we all know that the genie is well out of the bottle, and that if one REALLY craves DL SBD copies of shows, with a little effort, it cannot be stopped.

That Bobby stopped it in its easiest, least troublesome form (this archive) is perfectly within his rights, but ultimately fruitless, and given the band's long-time stance of encouraging tapings of shows and the circulation of said shows [which, btw, helped them become the live juggernaut money-making machine they were, so the fans deserve some credit here] can be interpreted fairly by some as a petty, and to put it more bluntly, kind of dickish move.

Just like that cop who stopped you for doing 40 in a 35 mph zone.

Yes, there is the entitlement whine of claiming the music is somehow "ours" (it is not), but there is another train of thought that falls somewhere in the middle and wonders fairly if Garcia would have had the same reaction as Weir did.

Not to mention the fact that every true Dead Head I know of was only too happy to support the band through official merchandise purchasing of Dicks Picks and many other paraphenalia, and never would complain about any official release being verbotten for DL on the LMA.

My 2 cents on this subject yet again, but I never get tired of it.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Mar 28, 2007 3:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: God Bless John Barlow

BryanE:

thanks for your response and clarifications

although i don't feel any particular personal sense of entitlement, i believe this issue is far from black and white, especially in GD's case

thanks for your insights regarding Mr. Wier, i don't believe he intended for this division to take place...i truly wish him, the Dead, LMA and all of the fans the best